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  1. #1 End slating 
    In the thread about "Just hit Delete" in the workflow area, End slating was brought up and Stuart said...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart English View Post
    Explain ?
    I thought I'd give it a try but realized the thread was old and since it was a hijack topic anyway, I'd just move it where it belongs and start a new one!

    Stuart,

    Since I don't feel like working this afternoon, I thought I would give the slating explanation a try as I've been designing software interfaces for 20 years or so--and I find it fun.

    I will preface this with saying that I have never seen a Viper or Dalsa or even a Varicam camera interface (take this for what it's worth), but I just sort of make it up as I go along.

    I started with a looking at the renders of your back panel and assumed 5 on top and 3 on the side were all I have to work with. Since I don't know if it is color or not (most likely yes) I decided to make it work in B/W first as color will just enhance it.

    This shows a rough idea of what I was thinking for end slating. It's a bit rough, but you'll get the idea.

    In my scenario, a single shot has been completed...



    The Slate would be Scene, Take, Quality of take, and a user code. Also notice a bunch of meta data. Not sure how you plan to set some meta data, but this would be set in the menus as it wouldn't change much take to take. Notice that the top buttons would correct the scene/quality/user and the left buttons would reverse a clip, play the current clip or move to the next clip to adjust the scene information to get ready for the next take.

    I would assume the quality button would be:

    Good, Bad, Best, Technical, Blooper, etc. and would cycle.

    The circle with a square is a way to say "Stopped". If it was playing back it would be a play triangle and if it was recording it would be a blinking circle.

    The Prev Button would step you back to the previous clip to play it back or mark it for deletion.

    Hitting the alt key...



    would allow you to reverse the direction of the buttons on the top or Delete this clip perminantly if it is the last clip on the chain. If you selected it, it would give you a "Are you sure?" dialog before deleting it.

    If you had cycled back to a previous clip and tried to delete the clip with the same "alt-Erase" it gives you a different option...



    Allowing you to flag the clip to be deleted (Assuming Red Cine or someone else would take care of the deletion, but not actually delete it.

    Since this is just marking it, if you alt-delete again--it should allow you to "Unmark this clip for deletion"

    If you want to move to the next clip and get the metadata ready for it, it would look something like this:



    Best Regards,

    Thom
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    Very impressive, Thom! Wow, this would really help speed things up in the editing room. Bye bye "Log and Capture"... Can't say I'm going to miss you!
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    Thom,

    Glad you plucked this out into its own thread. I was reading the other thread and came across your query and thought to myself "That's a really good question!", but the thread moved on...

    Whether or not "clip deletion" actually makes it into the Red camera, the ability to tailslate is a HUGE benefit for post production and I really hope it finds its way into the camera sooner than later. Like Mike Curtis, my bread and butter is in editing and post production, but I also do a fair amount of shooting. Digital tailslating is one of those tools that really showcases the advantages of a digital workflow. In addition to the speed increase on the set (no more waiting for a PA to change the clapboard and place somewhere in frame where its actually in focus) to the gains in the edit suite: pure pristine slate located exactly at the end of the clip with no need for shuttling through tape trying to catch a glimpse of that clapper.

    Your mockups are very thorough and clean. Nice job!!!
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    Digital Slates were definitely mentioned as a feature request months ago. Fincher used it on Zodiak and said it was a big time saver so I would have thought the RED team would have taken the idea seriously. NAB will tell.
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    Thom,

    This is very impressive.. You know you gotta love this about what we all do here. We not only give advice, feedback, and requests here, but we actually assist in idea development! This camera has truely been designed in part by the people that use it.

    Kudos to you sir

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    Very cool, it would be a great addition. Now we would also need a way for the PA to input the info via bluetooth from a PDA, so the DP doesn't have to deal with it after every take!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay A. Kelley View Post
    ...you gotta love this about what we all do here. We not only give advice, feedback, and requests here, but we actually assist in idea development! This camera has truely been designed in part by the people that use it.
    What keeps us all coming back here to RedUser is the chance to participate in something that is going to change the world by offering a bit of out own experience or a seed of an idea that we all develop into something that may eventually be worthy of including in the camera.

    Our individual experience combined with their openness, receptiveness to ideas and their collaborative spirit is what is going to make this camera so amazing.

    Though it may be too late to get some of these ideas into Red 1.0--all of us, the RedUser design team, have started gathering requirements for Red 1.1!
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    Thank you VERY much for that feedback Thom. This is the kind of thing that makes this board (and I also acknowledge DVINFO) a great resource to the RED team.
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    Glad to be of service!

    So, now back to the original question, Stuart: do we have any chance of getting this kind of slating and clip deleting in Red One either now or down the road? :)
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    Good thread. Here are some additional Abbreviations that might be useful on a digital end slate:

    VFX - Visual FX Shot
    MOS - Minus Optical Sound / Mit Out Sound (No Sound)
    WLD - Sound Only (Wild Track - if only using the onboard storage for your sound recording)
    DFN - Day for Night
    GD - Good
    NG - No Good
    CRL - Circle Take (Director's preferred take(s) chosen to "Print")
    FS - False Start
    PU - Pick Up
    IST- Insert Shot
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