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  1. #1 Leica M Lenses on Dragon 
    Hey everyone,

    Planning purchasing my first RED camera, an Epic Dragon, and was wondering if anyone knew about compatability of wider angle Leica M glass on the Dragon. I know that on the MX, lenses wider than 50mm had issues with flange/protruding rear elements, but i had seen a post by Red stating that a re-designed sensor window would allow for the use of wider angle Leica M lenses on Dragon and yet others have commented that this is inaccurate as Dragon is merely a sensor upgrade. Can anyone bring clarity yo this for me? The lenses i am interested in are:

    Zeiss 15mm f/2.8 ZM
    leica 16-18-21 tri-elmar-m
    leica 21 summilux-m
    leica 35 summilux-m

    thank you in advance for sny help you can provide.
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    Senior Member Imran Farouk's Avatar
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    Well it says wider lenses for M are now possible on the Dragon page
    http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon#features

    Whether that means up to Xmm or ALL Leica M lenses are now possible is still to be answered.

    Though I think Jim's previous post (http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...d-Leica-lenses) on the Leica lenses, I figured that was aimed at the M series...

    I'd love to know a clear clean answer though for this too...
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    I saw Jim's post as well, but i had thought he was referring to the Summilux-c cinema primes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Kyler Hoyt View Post
    I saw Jim's post as well, but i had thought he was referring to the Summilux-c cinema primes.
    Yes, he was.
    Something witty this way comes.
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    If anyone currently has a Dragon in Los Angeles I'd be happy to setup a test for this. I work out of the Leica Store in West Hollywood and have access to the entire range of M lenses. In fact, we had a couple of guys in last week testing M lenses on the Epic-X and shooting tests with a model around the store. If someone wants to bring in a Dragon we can knock through the whole batch in no time.

    Travis, I was thinking about you during the test, but since it wasn't Dragon I didn't bother to call.
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    I might come and visit you Seth before I go back to Italy... Even so I am not very happy at all with Band Pro at the moment...
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    Hi Ketch, good to hear from you. Drop me a note and let me know when you want to come by. Occasionally meetings and customer visits pull me out of the office and I'd like to make sure I'm there. My email address is seth <dot> emmons <at> cw-sonderoptic <dot> de.
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    Cool Seth, email sent...
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    Quote: "A redesigned sensor window allows for the use of wider Leica-M and Angenieux lenses, while also providing a larger field of view when shooting."

    Link: http://www.red.com/products/epic-dragon#features

    It's good to know that RED was listening to me when I've been requested that sensor window redesign here at Reduser some years ago.

    Also must say by the specification of RF (Range Finder) lenses with a short flange of 27.95mm that is actually very close to the sensor

    that means optically every lens that goes below 50mm like a 35mm or any wider lens is going to give a slight or more vignetting.

    This can occur especially at smaller stops, that means a larger f numbers more vignetting.

    But fortunately with Dragon 6K you can crop and get a very usable size of image.
    "There is no point in having sharp images when you've fuzzy ideas."
    Jean-Luc Godard.

    Dynamic range is, after all, the measurement between well saturation (photosite blowout) and noise floor.
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    After meeting with Seth at the Leica Store in LA today, we talked about things and we'll do a nice Leica M shoot with him on Dragon + Red M mount, and we'll post results.
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